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Originally Posted by Alcoholiday
i just have a quick question. I'll quote a section of the e-mail:
isn't this basically contradicting what he said previously?
Also, while the e-mail sounds very professional, it is not Lyle's responsibility to check into sources and make sure they do what is "proper citations" in any scholarly journal, and wasn't his responsibility to bring it to his attention.
I have no personal vendetta against AW or MR, but i find it hard to justify using word for word similarities in the text. They teach us this stuff throughout grade school, high school and college. You take the information, and you put it into your own words.
I know in apa style, we put the author's name and date of publication in ( ) after the information that you're using.
Even if AW/MR forgot to properly cite Lyle at the start, or the end of the book, you would think that you could give credit in the text where credit is due.
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My read of that was that when he found out about the oversight, he went into his e-book and changed it, but that he would have fixed it much earlier if Lyle had said something earlier.
Instead Lyle seems to have sat on this for some time. Since he has been so candid about this situation so far, maybe he will explain his logic on that one as well.
As a few others have pointed out, the way they should have handled it would have been to ask Alwyn to submit his chapter for final approval. Since Lyle didn't do that, he does share
some responsibility for this.
They also both should have had a much more detailed discussion about the use of the text. Setting aside the omission issue (for which Alwyn has accepted responsibility), if you approve a body of text then - unless you specify otherwise - it seems that it would apply to future use, as long as it contained the segment of text that gave author credit.
Any time I use someone else's photo images for example (like for a power point that I might use in a public speaking gig), once I have approval to use it, it is implied that it applies to however I want to use it. In the case models I do have them sign a release, which allows me to use their image for any use, whether it be an ad, a brochure or on my web site.
Maybe both of them should have done this. Alwyn probably should have asked about using it in this project. Had he not omitted the author credit perhaps we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Hind site is 20/20.
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I don't hate Alwyn but I do think he's overrated as a "fitness guru".
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I don't agree that Alwyn is overrated. If you have ever seen him speak he is incredibly smart, funny, and dynamic. It's not an accident that he became such a big name.
Also, I think he would soundly reject the title of "guru."