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Old 06-09-2008, 10:09 PM   #102 (permalink)
Leigh P.
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Originally Posted by RedWifey View Post
So, how do you create a program to build strength without making workouts that make you want to go to bed for two days afterward?

And isn't the whole premise of NROL4W that you have to eat to be able to do Alwyn's program? But what I hear (and have experienced) is if you're dieting (i.e. eat in a deficit and cut calories, which is what you have to do to lose fat, right?) then how in the world can a person eat enough, but not too much and still have strength to continue with the day's tasks?

It seems like there's a very thin line to walk.
I think to some degree you have to ask yourself what wins? Are you a strength trainer or are you in fat loss and are just going to get it done.

Fat loss has become a lifestyle and it shouldn't be.
Fat loss has become a recurring playing field and training ground when it should just be a quick visit and a handicap.
Training while TRYING to be in a constant deficit is becoming far to common.

The problem with what I see a lot of people around here doing is you are going hard at two goals and one is going to give, and that is usually the fat loss. Let's be honest, it is a lot easier to focus on a 45 min training session then to live in strong deficit.

I will say again that fat loss is not a time to break 1RM's. Fat loss is not a time to become the best version of your training self. Fat loss is a time to maintain that best version of yourself and get through it without doing damage.

Question then is, why do we focus on trying to increase muscle mass in a fat loss phase?

The average person these days only starts training to lose fat. Before that time they never touched a weight on any real level. Obviously any new training is going to increase muscle mass, deficit or not.

Mix that new mass with a loss of fat and the outcome is a nice "tone" body. However, the forest is being not only blocked by the trees but Smokey the Bear and his 2nd and 3rd cousins.

NROL and NROL4W is NOT a fat loss program.

It is a training program and has things you can implement to use for fat loss...for some. It is really aggressive and tough, the average person will find it hard if they have a larger amount of fat to lose to stand up and take the needs of that program for a long time in a deficit. Mostly they will find a way to feed themselves just enough to not burn out to bad but always too much to see any real fat loss.

Some people, not all, but some just aren't meant to train like that during fat loss. Some people need to just diet down, keep up their protein, keep up the light cardio and general activity, do a LITTLE maintenance training for KEEPING LBM and get it done.

Sometimes metabolic training just means "makes me really freaking tired and hungry". This kind of training can make it really easy to turn inward to yourself and say "Eh I worked out so hard today, I don't want to get run down, so I will hit 1800, that is still a 500 deficit."

Well what if you NEAT has lowered from all that aggressive training?
What if your calories are off by just 170 calories?

What if that 500 turns to 289?

Welcome to being a fat loss lifer where just one day out of two weeks of being non compliance over 500 or so calories sets you back.

Any good coach would say, if it isn't working for you, stop doing it and try something that does.

Fat loss is a broken bone to your training system. Get in, set the cast, and get it off.

I am just thankful that some of you have been kind enough to let me sign it.
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