[GqArtguy]

Now before anyone gets their panties in a twist, dont take any of this shit personally:

Originally Posted by Waittz

I have no idea what you just said. But I think I am fine with it, im gunna go ahead and exit this thread before someone shows me a scientific formula that will tell me the day I die.

Ignorance is bliss.

He/She means that although the formula allows for the possibility of some genetic freak to throw it off, despite some of the rantings here there hasnt been any good argument that some of yall in this thread are genetic freaks.

The reason why there isnt a large argument for genetic freaks in this thread is because the data was gathered on people who were freaks themselves. Additionally, there are some unscrupulous people who still juice and enter natural shows. Ive seen it happen. So accounting for the possibility that even some of the nattys in the data makes it even less possible for you to gain 15lbs of lbm with your current stats.

You dont believe it but when you argue in disbelief, youre implying (read that word again: implying) that you can do better than the genetic freaks who might also be on drugs.

Originally Posted by Maxx

I want to see some of these people with an ACCURATE bodyfat test, not a "guess".....

Werd. Youd be surprised how much water and fat you are really carrying. Its like gaining muscle, you think that if you gain only 5-10 more lbs youll get 'there' but once you get there you realize its less than you thought. When getting lean, youd be surprised what it takes to get to a true 10%. Its no joke.

For those of you who used calipers, who used them on you? Was it just a trainer? If so, given that most trainers suck, what makes you think that they would be good at taking bf%? I can make bf% go all over the place if I want to and it takes a while with some really good calibrated metal calipers (not that cheap plastic shit) to get a decent estimate.

Originally Posted by Frank S

its simple.

either - someone has been sneaking me roids.

or - my bodyfat is about 30%.

for that calculation to be accurate.

Bingo. Unless youre on the Frank S Factor, your bf is probably higher than you think.

Originally Posted by Waiitz

Me started a thread that says "Iwant to START to get into BBing" makes me a self proclaimed BBer?

So does this make you a BBer in training? A wannabe/aspiring BBer? PLer? Just wondering. And dont get all dramatic when you answer, I really want to know what you mean by this.

I have stated numerous time, including the first Fing post that my goal is to be UNDER 200 lbs with AESTHETICS in mind. MY actual goal ends up beeing within 3% of that formula so stop telling me how I want to be. All I am saying is that the formula is telling me I have reached my genetic potential due to my small wrist measurement skewing it.

She said "IF all you guys care about is gaining weight and getting stronge than hell yeah 200 lbs is possible"

...and earlier she said "This whole obsession with going to 200lb or more at less than 6' height just boggles my mind."

As far as wrist measurement, yours just like mine at the ankle and wrist. You might want to reconsider that theyre small when compared to average wrist sizes.

And how can you determine my bodyfat off of a picture that shows nothing but my chest? I was tested with calipers back at 193 at 15%. I am now 185 with a net loss of 1 inch on my waist since that measurement. Yeah, I am one fat fuck. My "uninflated" chest/back flexed measurement is 45" even, cold. My morning waist relaxed is 33". That is a drop of 12" without even bringing in my shoulder measurements. Someone fucking call jenny craig. You do not want to believe me fine, do not call me a liar.

Why not post some full shots then? In fact, post some on the BR thread and have a totally different crew give you their estimates.

do yourself a favor and read my damned posts. I wanted to gain 15 lbs of lbm and drop to under 8% before I even think about a stage, That was put me around 185-190ish, before I even try to get contest ready which would put me closer to 170ish.

You argue with the formula but what Im saying is that if you want to gain 15lbs of lbm, that would put you at 180lbs of lbm which is beyond what natural BBers can attain with your frame.

Lets do some math since yours is off:

You claim to be 193 at 15% that is 28.95 of fat with 164.05 lbm.

You want to have 179lbs of lbm. Suppose you keep the 28.95lbs of fat in the process, youd be at 207.95 and 14% which is really good.

Now say from that 208 you want to cut down to contest shape at 4%, that means you want to cut 10% off of you which is about 21lbs. This puts you at 187lbs with 180lbs of lbm which is 4% and stage ready.

Where you are getting 170lbs I have no idea but by these calculations youd be defying natural human potential.