[Simon C]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

raw technique has about 0% to do with geared technique imo.

If you want to get good in gear you need to train in it primarily. If I had trained with gear for my first meet I would be a better powerlifter today.

The amount of air you need to take is different, ability to stay tight is improved but different, bar placement different, every lift feels way different, etc etc

I have no problem with raw powerlifting, in all honesty it makes more sense. But, thats not where the best lifters are or the most meets, or the best meets.

she is ready for gear you guys make her sound weak haha. She will probably deadlift low-mid 300s..

As I said earlier, I wasn't making any statements directly related to your gf, I'm sure shes real strong And will do great in gear.

But I guess I'm talking about basic technique/strength, if somebody hasn't developed the proper coordination for it and such. And also the mental side, but in the case of your gf, well you can help her there.

And, you just said she is ready for gear, which implies there is something to be read for Got ya!!!

Originally Posted by Matthew

Just because the top lifters use gear doesn't mean she has to.

Just because you use gear and want to be one of the top lifters doesn't mean she has to wear gear as well.

There are a ton of lifters who lift raw. If she doesn't want to be at the top of the worlds lifters, she can lift raw and still win some competitions.

Putting her in a bench shirt when she's benching 135 is stupid in my opinion. Why not get her some more time under the bar so she can learn proper technique without gear before you get her learning proper technique with gear.

I vividly remember you saying you didn't want to use gear until you lifted a certain amount raw. What happened to that?

Originally Posted by Frank.S

You dont lift with many girls, few girls could bench 135lbs and have it pass in a contest. I would probably consider that pretty close to a 315lbs bench for a guy. Few people can do it without training.

I was wrong with learning to lift raw first. I see zero point in that now. Gear is way to hard to learn. It takes such a long time to get good at it that you need lots of time in it. The more time in it, the better.

Actually she probably wont use a bench shirt for the contest as its rapidly approaching and there isn't really enough time to train with it and learn it.

Matthew you probably don't train with any girls hah.

But Frank is right in that a 135bench for a girl is pretty good! But shit, nowhere near a 315lbs bench!!!

Originally Posted by Matthew

Few guys could bench 135 and have it pass in a contest as well, without any training.

A 135 bench for a girl is NOT equal to 315 for a guy, that's ridiculous. 225-245, maybe.

If you keep training in gear all the time, you'll eventually have a huge weakness in the lower end of the ROM.
That would be the same as your average gym rat doing only quarter squats. Forget everything I've said about gear, this just isn't healthy for your body.

I do agree you will develop a certain type of strength adn weaknesses training in gear over time. Probably not in the way I train, which is raw most of the time, and introducing the gear in stages in the last 4 weeks before a contest. But definitely in a westside approach.

Originally Posted by Frank.S

if you exclude her gender and just go by bodyweight, thats like me pressing 230+lbs. Gender plays a role in terms of strength of course. I still think the comparison is pretty valid. Comparisons like this are dumb because there are so many factors.

Healthy? putting 800lbs on your back is not healthy no matter what way you look at it. Excerting yourself until your eyes pop (still, mine are fully bloodshot from contest deads) and blood shots out your nose, not healthy. Snorting ammonia before every big lift.. that cant be good either. This is not a healthy sport at all.

It would be more like the average gym rat doing regular depth squats with 100lbs of chains on the bar then a 1/4 squat if anything. And hey, if someone in the gym is doing 800lbs quarter squats, good for them.

Frank, your 315lbs comparrison was so shit If you want to know the exact equivalent according to wilks points. say that 13bench for a 60kg woman? Well thats equivalent of a 198lbs man benching 235, so yes 230+ But NOWHERE NEAR 315!!!!!

And healthy? who ever said powerlifting was healthy lol!!! It's most certainly NOT!!!

Originally Posted by Matthew

Ok, the chain argument is a good one. That is a better comparison.

I don't want to sound sexist, but I doubt she'll be putting 800lbs on her back.
Still, I guess you have a valid point again.

I have an idea. Why don't I just stop arguing against the use of gear...

Originally Posted by Frank.S

man, thats not sexest, ive never met a girl who wouldn't fold up like a pretzle with 800lbs.

we can agree to disagree.

Hahaha yeah, I agree with that one too. Girls just can't lfit that much, seriosuly.

I train with a woman who placed 5th in the world at the 2005 IPF world championships in the 60(132lbs)kg class. 325 squat, 198lbs bench, 360 deadlift, now shit that's 5th in the world, amazing lifts for a woman.

But compare that to the guy who came 5th in the 60kg class that year... 484 squat, 350 bench, 440 deadlift.

Girls DO fold under 800lbs

Originally Posted by cycomiko

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oh,


where you not joking?


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Hahahhahahahahha!!! funny!!!

Yeah, the numbers are still wayyyy different lol, well except in the deadlift hah!