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Originally Posted by Waittz
You cant use the shaq argument. How many rings did MJ win without Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong, Kerr, the list goes on. MJ was a great player who always had a great supporting cast. You gunna tell me MJ would of won a ring with Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and no center? Pshhhhhh. Plus Shaq rode Wade and the rest of the vets coattails in 06. He had one game in Chi town. Zo played a bigger role against the pistons and mavs than shaq did. Hell Twan outscored him in about 5 of the last 9 games of those playoffs.
I will say that Kobe is a rare breed. He plays on both sides and along with MJ and Payton, a guy who is an amazing on ball defender and can put up 20/10 in a night. they do not make guys like that often. Kobe gets a bad rap because of his history, but kobe is kobe. They guy can score at will. For fucks sake, he put up 81 in one game.
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MJ had a good supporting cast. They never had a good center though. They had luke longly who was AWFUL. They relied on jump shots and outside scoring mainly. Kerr was a badass shooter who doesn't get much credit. Rodman rebounded and played good D but didn't score.
You can't really say that shaq rode the coattails. How many rings did they win without shaq? They needed an inside force, and it seemed like shaq was the missing puzzle piece.
It's like rodman was the bulls missing piece in 97/98/99.
Jordan made the players play better. It's clearly evident from when he retired for 2 years. The team couldn't survive without him. 8 consecutive titles was a definite possibility. Kobe is good, but not Jordan caliber. When i watch Kobe play, it's all about the Kobe show, and not about the roles other players on his team play.
Maybe we remember two totally different teams when the bulls played, but Jordan's playing was much more mature than Kobe's.