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I don't think JVer is demeaning anyone's art here and I understand what he's getting at.

As always it's less about the system but rather the teacher and attitude that matters most.

Having practiced traditional arts for years I'll say that most kata will do jack shit for you in a real situation. I do think it does have value in regards to technique, but even my Karate teacher in Japan acknowledged the limitations of it and had us throw on gloves and go at it full contact with grappling allowed. He had us go against Judo guys, incorporated Muay Thai and boxing etc... because it works.

In my experience sparring has real value, but I'm talking about full power not the bullshit light or no contact stuff - which is so often why a BJJ, wrestler, or Judoka will school anyone not used to going full speed.