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ninja · 03-20-2008, 08:01 PM

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I understand the point of marginal returns and where you're coming from on that. I happen to think that frankly, if you're not juicing you're not trying especially in all sports that you can get away with it in.

That said, do you think there is a distinction that we can make in regards to what people could do with and without? Take Barry Bonds. In all likelihood, Bonds is a surefire HOFer and is a member of the 600 homerun club. He was great. But rather, steroids made Bonds very great.

For shits and grins, looking at Bonds' stats I'm going to assume that he started to juice in 1996. (I know that Game of Shadows probably pinpoints this down even further. Maybe someone who've read it knows) Obviously, without steroids, there's nothing in Bonds' past history that says he'd hit 73 homeruns in a season or even come close to breaking the all time record.

While Bonds' is probably done, and the margin between his record and Aaron's isn't going to be that great; at what point can we say that it wasn't Bonds' talent breaking the record but rather the help he had?

03-20-2008, 08:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
ninja supermoderating hos Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: A Place With A NASCAR Track Posts: 10,514 My Profile	@PMDL I understand the point of marginal returns and where you're coming from on that. I happen to think that frankly, if you're not juicing you're not trying especially in all sports that you can get away with it in. That said, do you think there is a distinction that we can make in regards to what people could do with and without? Take Barry Bonds. In all likelihood, Bonds is a surefire HOFer and is a member of the 600 homerun club. He was great. But rather, steroids made Bonds very great. For shits and grins, looking at Bonds' stats I'm going to assume that he started to juice in 1996. (I know that Game of Shadows probably pinpoints this down even further. Maybe someone who've read it knows) Obviously, without steroids, there's nothing in Bonds' past history that says he'd hit 73 homeruns in a season or even come close to breaking the all time record. While Bonds' is probably done, and the margin between his record and Aaron's isn't going to be that great; at what point can we say that it wasn't Bonds' talent breaking the record but rather the help he had? __________________ Jesus and I both came back on a Sunday "If you can't have a photo with the real thing, you can always fantasize with a cardboard cutout."