I like to get them eating at maintenance, and let the workout provide the calorie deficit. Once progress stalls, I'll switch to their current maintenance needs (cuz what was maintenance before isn't maintenance now). That usually does the trick. (Usually, but not always. May need to add/subtract some cals as needed, but usually no more than 250 a day at a time).
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