yea, we did the same as kingkop did with the flip turns while at practice. started about 5 yards behind the flags so we could build up a little speed, swim in and do a flip, kick out and do it all over again.
when i help my friends learn to swim and they want to learn the flip, i tell them don't worry about turning on the flip and tell them to concentrate on the last stroke they make and when they are ready to flip, bring the arm down with you as you flip. i see a lot of them trying to the the flip starting with both hands the at the sides and they have trouble getting the momentum to finish the flip and kick off the wall. i also teach them not to take a breath right before the flip either, it slows you down and forces you up instead on going down into the flip.
its much easier to teach in the water when i show them
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